 Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.385 ) |
日期：2012/08/16 21:31
留言者：竺竺
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桃花源,
如令兄的意願是用中醫治療, 也只有順從他的意思.
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.386 ) |
日期：2012/08/16 21:56
留言者：sam
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西醫醫不好,中醫也醫不好
中醫醫得好,不醫也會好 |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.387 ) |
日期：2012/08/16 23:03
留言者：raymond
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.388 ) |
日期：2012/08/17 08:56
留言者：james
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桃花源曲友，
令兄的病情，如果医生说要电疗/化疗，还是听医生的话
比较好。电疗和化疗，在杀死癌细胞同时，也杀死一些其他的
细胞，但医生会有分数。电疗和化疗的目的，是把癌细胞尽量
杀死或减低，以便控制，病人的生存能力，尽量提高。
谨祝令兄早日康复。 |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.389 ) |
日期：2012/08/18 01:40
留言者：桃花源
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多謝james兄的好建議和祝福。但是有什麼好的辦法可以說服我的兄長呢？這就是我憂慮的，有時候真是性格決定命運。太過迷信中醫，如果正如sam兄所說：“西醫醫不好,中醫也醫不好，中醫醫得好,不醫也會好。”那麼我兄長的命運真是凍過水了。唉。。。 |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.390 ) |
日期：2012/08/18 12:59
留言者：竺竺
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多謝蚊少!  |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.391 ) |
日期：2012/08/20 19:44
留言者：sam
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桃花源:
迷信中醫...correct. well said.
中醫is a unique chinese culture 迷信.
You can believe it with no harm or bad consequences if you are only worrying about non-specific phenomena like 弱, 補, 虚, 虧....etc
If you have real illness or disease like infection, serious inflammatory conditions and especially cancer you better stay away from these 中醫. Otherwise all i can say is good luck.
We know that there is so much we still do not understand about the human body and the diseases. We actually cannot cure many. We can only control them. We know and we admit to it.
Do not fall into the trap that we actually know the causes or reasons for all diseases. And that all diseases can be treated and cured.
直腸癌第三期 is a real and serious illness. And i can definitely tell you that the natural life expectancy would be shorter than if he did not have this disease.
化療和電療 prolong his life but still can never cure him. Without 化療 or 電療 his life would be shorter than if he receives these modes of treatments.
My suggestion is to leave the decisions to the treating doctors, get them to explain fully the pros and cons. There would be pain and sufferings but still is better than getting no treatment. This would buy you time to spend with family and loved ones and time to orgainise your own affairs.
Look at 羅文, 梅艷芳 etc. They would have all the money in this world to seek 中醫or神醫. They still fell into the usual statistics.
我兄長的命運真是凍過水了. .....This happens to all of us..sooner or later. It is how we use our life that is important. How your brother uses the rest of his life is more important than spending part or all of it looking for a cure. That only brings him more mental pain and disappointment. No one knows how long he has to live. WHy not just enjoy that with the family. |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.392 ) |
日期：2012/08/20 23:44
留言者：raymond
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.393 ) |
日期：2012/08/21 09:47
留言者：james
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Sam 曲友，
罗文的情形我不知道，梅艳芳的初期子宫颈癌，
可以完全治好，但要 hysterectomy， 把子宫拿掉。
梅不想失去生育的能力，然后误信中医疗法，不用手术，
也可以治好，就英年早逝。limping 豪也是末期肝癌，出来
找中医/气功，也一样。
中医上乘黄帝内经，神农尝百草，再有华佗，扁鹊，李时珍
等伟人，于公元1900年以前，大放异彩。西方医学，一直很落后，
黑死病，就是最好的明证。当时的医护人员，大多是天主教的人士，
死亡很多。痛定思痛，文艺复兴，就是从医疗/科学开始。经过500年
的事实求是，有过便改，其对西方社会的贡献，有目共睹。
返观中医，累积了丰富的经验，但不愿意分享，抱残守缺，今天中医
的技术/理论，跟500年前，没有多大的进步。49年以后，唯一的就是中，西医结合。
哈哈，请搂主不要见怪。就此收笔。 |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.394 ) |
日期：2012/08/21 06:58
留言者：四姑娘
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James:
我知你是一個專業人仕，人地唔知，難怪！ |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.395 ) |
日期：2012/08/21 18:54
留言者：sam
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james,
Good luck
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.396 ) |
日期：2012/08/22 04:20
留言者：桃花源
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謝謝sam and james 的非常好的建議和祝福。特別是sam的非常中肯和詳細的分析，我心裡非常明白，我現在提議他學習郭林氣功，但是我在網上看，病人仍然要配合化療和電療，但是如果他拒絕，也只有祝福我兄長Good luck了。
桃花源再次謝謝所有關心我兄長的有心人！祝福大家身體健康！
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.397 ) |
日期：2012/08/22 13:12
留言者：sam
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桃花源
Need to know many factors and details about a patient and e.g. extent of the tumour before any prognosis can be made.
For stage 3 ( and there are many sub-stages) with curative surgery and chemo or radiotherapy the recurrence rate at 5 year is 30-35%. That is not bad. This is a figure given to me.
I hope your brother would get some proper advice and make his own intellectual decisioon. His decision affect not only himself, also his wife and children too.
Best wishes to him too. |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.398 ) |
日期：2012/08/23 07:57
留言者：桃花源
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Sam 曲友，
那麼如果我兄長放棄化療和電療，只是食物治療，他說檸檬療法，（檸檬+鹼水，他說餓死癌細胞，我不知道這個方法work 唔 work），他的生命還能夠維持多久呢？他手術後身體很虛，走路都無力，如果經歷化療和電療，身體是否更加虛弱？因為沒有做手術之前，他天天爬山，比他的狗還走得快，現在他後悔做手術，讓他非常痛苦。
謝謝賜教。 |
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| Re: 天竺葵------歷練餘生 ( No.399 ) |
日期：2012/08/23 13:31
留言者：sam
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when things are not going right we can only rely on logic which is based on available knowledge. Not guessing or presuming.
Previously someone said 电疗和化疗，在杀死癌细胞同时，也杀死一些其他的细胞，then 檸檬+鹼水，他說餓死癌細胞，won't this also kill off himself too?
Your brother said 後悔做手術，讓他非常痛苦. I would say this is mental suffering. This comes with the diagnosis already.
If he did not have surgery he will eventually in the very near future suffer from agonizing physical pain when the cancer invade the surrounding structures. He would have bleeding from the rectum, slow will make him anaemic and tired. Massive bleeding can kill him straight away. When the tumour blocks the rectum then either you die in a nasty way or you get a colostomy (hole in the tummy wall) and die in the same nasty way but suffer longer. The smell from the tumour invasion would turn even the closest of family away. I do not think i need to go on along this line.
I do not know what surgery your brother received. Total resection with colostomy or what. Hard to estimate the principles the doctors in Hong Kong follow.
Yes. Your brother is very weak as expected. Yes. There are significant risks of side effects and complications from chemotherapy and/or radiotherapy. I can only presume (against what I said before!) his specialist doctors would have explained fully the pros and cons of all treatment modalities to him. Or may be they might just get a junior doctor to get him to sign any consent forms and that is that.
Think of the seriousness of his condition. He is suffering badly. Everyone says he can die from it. Would you not expect any treatment targeting such a condtion should carry the same degree of seriousness in terms of its benefit and the bad effects?
If 檸檬+鹼水 is enough to cure him of the cancer would there be so many doctors and hospitals in the world? If 檸檬+鹼水 can cure cancer yet you pay hundreds of dollars to doctors and still cannot get rid of a cold?
沒有做手術之前，他天天爬山，比他的狗還走得快..this is a good explanation for him to feel bad. The higher you go the harder you fall. He would think that if anyone should get cancer it should not be him. He would feel helpess, useless. That is understandable. What he needs is mental support from family and treatment support from doctors. He should be told the real status of his illness if he wants to know. DO not keep anything from him and of course in my own words do not give him false hope with the other 1000 or 10000 recipes of cancer cure.
As a matter of interest how many suggestions of cure for your brother have he received so far from people around him? And of these how many of them know even what a rectum is? They all mean well. But it is time to get serious. Not a time to try this and that.
I do nto know how long he has to live. Radiotherapy and chemotherapy may kill him but it is more likely that they would prolong his life, longer than if he does not receive them. |
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