 Re: 美國真面目 ( No.12 ) |
日期：2014/10/13 16:48
留言者：寸草心
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民主, 法治, 人權.
三者不可分.
民主, 法治是人權之保障及必然引申. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.13 ) |
日期：2014/10/14 17:42
留言者：寸草心
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港人反真普選, 是為了争取香港早日回歸, 過着無示威抗争的幸福日子. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.14 ) |
日期：2014/10/14 19:55
留言者：路過
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中國版圖是不是太大了？要管理好十幾億人，中央政府無可避免要用一些較專制的方法，國民黨及共產黨都是這樣  。
我們一直被大一統的緊箍咒束縛著
分裂了也沒有什麼大不了。
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.15 ) |
日期：2014/10/14 19:56
留言者：麥友成
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寸心盼望能合葬~  |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.16 ) |
日期：2014/11/03 21:42
留言者：寸草心
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幾千年改朝換代不外乎: 朝綱敗坏, 荷政, 天災, 外患; 然古时歷代國土由於交通落後, 訊息不靈, 朝廷容易被蒙.
即是現代, 解放後承受大一統之農業大國, 治理更難, 加上心欲一步登天, 超英趕美.....畝產千斤!.....全國紅旗報大數!
故毛澤東力倡幹部下放蹲点, 但亦事倍功半, 費時失事......至危難之秋, 先後俱作南巡之举......
而今拜海外星,港,台,日輸入電腦, 尤其中文輸入法, 致全民可掌握資訊, 此乃中國崛起主因! |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.17 ) |
日期：2014/10/15 17:15
留言者：寸草心
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除了物質,經濟,軍力極大提高, 人民之文化生活, 素質提升日顯重要.
國內由打倒孔家店而轉為高層带頭祭孔, 重興二千多年之傳統, 以儒教之仁義道德, 三綱五常來治民.
近傳北京重申學習歷史, 盼從中華民族五千年歷史中汲取教訓, 總結治國興邦之道. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.18 ) |
日期：2014/10/16 16:15
留言者：寸草心
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北朝鮮為現今世界上最值得研究之國家之一. 對中共甚有戰畧價值. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.19 ) |
日期：2014/10/18 16:44
留言者：寸草心
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最近傳出加强－党專政下以法治國. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.20 ) |
日期：2014/10/18 17:47
留言者：寸草心
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對中共來說, 民主是奢侈品; 無終的爭坳, 冗長的辯論, 虚假之普選, 形式諮詢等等…. 是拖沓管冶之絆腳石….
"中國製造" 是崛起於東方, 史無前例的企業式大國. 它正建立着－个自身的運作機制, 凭着最高領導的絕對權威, 凭着擁有,更生現代尖端之科技, 凭着坐擁遼闊之疆域及资源, 凭着擁有地球上最龐大而又能刻苦耐勞, 易於馴服滿足之人囗............
"中國製造" 勢將成為一个無可匹敵之時代. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.21 ) |
日期：2014/10/19 18:13
留言者：寸草心
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雄心勃勃的東方大國要讓世界看着它起跑, 怎樣打擦邊球, 怎樣跟著大阿哥後面陪跑, 直到到有一天........中國夢. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.22 ) |
日期：2014/10/19 22:07
留言者：真话
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【強烈譴責】《港人講地》嚴正反駁網上博客失實指控
對於有網上博客發表題為《梁粉「港人講地」老屈前港督衛奕信撐警察》的文章，並有個別網上群組將不實訊息在網上散播，《港人講地》對此予以譴責及深表遺憾。
《港人講地》編輯部翻閱前港督衛奕信10月16日在英國上議院發言全文，衛奕信在發言中清楚指出，很難想到世界有一個大城市，能像香港有這種大型示威持續那麼久而只發生那麼少的嚴重事件。他認為香港示威能這樣進行，「部分功勞也應歸於警隊」（衛奕信發言原文：It is hard to think of a great city in the world where this sort of demonstrating can go on for so long with so few serious incidents. Apart from the incidents referred to by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, where the police did certain things, some of the credit for this goes to the Hong Kong police as well.）。
因此，有關文章聲稱《港人講地》「屈」衛奕信，基本上是完全失實及毫無道理，且亦是近乎誣衊的指控。
對於該文章又質疑有報章「斷章取義說衛奕信撐中國冇違反聯合聲明」，有關指控同樣是失實的。根據衛奕信的發言原文，明確指出了「不時有指控說中國已違反了中英聯合聲明的條文，但是就我個人所知，沒有實質證據顯示中國或香港特區政府有違反有關聲明的條文」(There are accusations made now and then that China has broken the terms of the joint declaration but I personally know of no valid evidence that either China or the Hong Kong SAR has offended against the terms of that declaration.)。
同時，該文章亦指衛奕信聲稱「目前香港主要的問題不是聯合聲明，而是基本法」，亦是扭曲了原意。根據衛奕信的發言原文，現在於香港發生的事情，跟中英聯合聲明根本沒有直接關係，而是跟香港《基本法》這個小憲法有關(Of course what is going on in Hong Kong at the moment is not directly related to the joint declaration; rather, it is related to Hong Kong’s mini-constitution—the Basic Law.)。
衛奕信更在發言中指出，香港示威者現時為他們自己訂下的目標，包括要特首梁振英下台，能夠實現的機會甚微。(After all, the objectives that the demonstrators set for themselves seem to have so little chance of being realised. Many of them say just that. For instance, there is the demand that the Chief Executive, Mr Leung Chun-ying, should resign) 。
而他續指出, 示威者訴求的核心, 是要三年後進行的下屆行政長官選舉, 候選人名單要由市民大眾公開提名出來, 而不是由提名委員會提出, 他們亦不要由提名委員會選出最多兩至三名候選人的名單。 然而，這就等如要取消了早於90年代已訂下的《基本法》的規定及全國人大會議的決定，衛奕信認為「這些規定的確很難會因早前及現時進行的示威活動而有所改變。」(However, the heart of the protesters’ demands, as other noble Lords have said, is of course that the election of the next Chief Executive in three years’ time should be on an open list of candidates put forward by the public, not processed by a nomination committee, nor with the list of candidates limited to two or three by that committee. After all, it is calling for the abandonment of what was laid down in the Basic Law way back in the 1990s, as well as what has been said by the National People’s Congress since... It really is hard to see those provisions being changed as a result of the demonstrations that have been going on and are going on now)。
而倘若2017年普選行政長官方案不能經立法會三分二議員通過，特首選舉辦法將原地踏步，即特首由1200人的委員會選出, 並非由普選產生。香港亦將錯失這一個政制向前邁步的重要機會。衛奕信說：「就算說得輕一點，這將會是莫大遺憾。」(If the next Chief Executive is to be elected in 2017 for the first time ever by all the electors of Hong Kong, a proposal to do that has to be passed by Hong Kong’s Legislative Council—by a two-thirds majority, incidentally. If there is no such majority because people want more than is on offer, then the whole process of choosing the next Chief Executive falls back to what is there now—in other words, a choice made only by that committee of 1,200 people, not by universal suffrage. So the opportunity for a major step forward in Hong Kong would be missed, and that, to put it mildly, would be a great shame.)
為釋除疑慮，《港人講地》現特意將衛奕信英語發言原文載錄如下，以供各位參考及判斷：
Lord Wilson of Tillyorn (CB): My Lords, with demonstrations still going on in Hong Kong and emotions running quite high, it is quite hard to know how we here can comment helpfully on the situation there. But perhaps this debate launched by my noble friend Lord Luce gives us the opportunity to stand back and try to see these events in context.
It is now 17 years since Hong Kong became a special administrative region, or SAR, of China and the UK ceased to have any direct responsibilities for administration there. It is even longer—some 30 years—since the joint declaration on the future of Hong Kong was signed by China and Britain, and registered in the United Nations as an international treaty. That joint declaration has stood up well against the passage of time. There are accusations made now and then that China has broken the terms of the joint declaration but I personally know of no valid evidence that either China or the Hong Kong SAR has offended against the terms of that declaration. Of course what is going on in Hong Kong at the moment is not directly related to the joint declaration; rather, it is related to Hong Kong’s mini-constitution—the Basic Law which, as the noble Lord, Lord Sassoon, said just now, was passed as long ago as 1990 by the National People’s Congress of China. It is of course a Chinese document, not part of the joint agreement with the UK.
Looking from a distance at those massive demonstrations which have been going on now in Hong Kong for well over two weeks, it is hard not to be impressed by the enthusiasm of thousands of young people and their commitment to their own political future. It is hard too not to be impressed by the generally peaceful way in which the demonstrations have been carried out, particularly in their early days. It is hard to think of a great city in the world where this sort of demonstrating can go on for so long with so few serious incidents. Apart from the incidents referred to by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, where the police did certain things, some of the credit for this goes to the Hong Kong police as well.
I said that it was hard not to be impressed by some of these things, but it is hard not to be concerned as well. After all, the objectives that the demonstrators set for themselves seem to have so little chance of being realised. Many of them say just that. For instance, there is the demand that the Chief Executive, Mr Leung Chun-ying, should resign. Perhaps that one was largely symbolic, rather like what occurs down the Corridor in another place when there are calls for the Prime Minister or other Ministers to resign. |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.23 ) |
日期：2014/10/20 17:37
留言者：寸草心
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港人心底珍惜: 公正之法治社會, 平民与政府訴訟亦會被依法公開審理; 市民享有言論, 集會, 結社, 信仰, 組党, 環保等人權, 自由.
香港是為世界公認之文明城市.
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.24 ) |
日期：2014/10/21 18:30
留言者：寸草心
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.........30年後香港是否仍係世界公認之文明城市, 在今天掌權者一念之間........ |
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.25 ) |
日期：2014/11/03 17:26
留言者：unclechin個老師
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「港人講地」網站簡介
「港人講地」網站及群組由前行政會議成員張震遠及梁振英競選辦顧問鄧爾邦成立的「齊心基金有限公司」管理，被外界形容為「梁粉文宣部」，頻頻高調刊登「梁粉」撰寫的議政文章，即時轉載高官發言，並引用網民提供的政治漫畫，隔空為政府造勢，提供輿論支持。
值得一提的是，香港政府為減少樓市遭大陸人炒賣情況而推出的「港人港地」措施，經常被有意無意地誤寫成「港人講地」，導致搜尋時出現偏差情況。
網民討論
改圖指斥學民思潮
2013年5月，「港人講地」facebook專頁發帖討論遊行集會自由。帖中引述裁判官杜浩成就黃毓民和陳偉業於2011年七一遊行案件的判辭，「無論任何法律，不論你喜不喜歡，即使有強烈意見，除非被法院頒令有違基本法或人權法，否則都要遵守；否則香港核心價值就無從說起」。下方則是當年學民思潮成員參加六四遊行後欲前往中聯辦，在途中被阻而躺臥馬路的相片，同時指「學民思潮成員遊行示威前拒絕申請，遊行期間衝出馬路，集體瞓馬路，癱瘓行車線達一小時，危害自己及其他道路使用者安全。」
此帖一出，不少網民留意到指「港人講地」亦懂改圖為梁振英造勢。
疑斷片取義抹黑學民
2013年10月，學民思潮黃之鋒及黎汶洛於國慶升旗禮與在場執法人員發生衝突，被保安人員強行拖離「獲邀請人士觀禮區」，學民思潮批評保安未有表明身份並沒有合埋法理依據下抬走他們，整個過程被社運聯合媒體拍下並上載互聯網。
及後「港人講地」將片段轉載並剪輯成2分21秒的短片，在影片說明質疑「保安帶走學民成員前 有冇交代原因？」學民思潮及社運聯合媒體先後發聲明批評「港人講地」盜片兼抹黑學民思潮。
保安帶走學民成員前 有冇交代原因？
「港人講地」則發表聲明反駁，否認「盜片」及「抹黑」之說，又指所謂的「指控」，全屬無理取鬧、歪曲事實，刻意以似是而非的所謂理據，誣蔑和抹黑該專頁，重申對於兩個組織的行為十分失望並深感遺憾。
質疑港大特首民調用意
2014年3月，政協常委李家傑在中共兩會期間與全國人大常委會委員長張德江會面，指港大民研發放不利北京及港府的民調結果，建議另起爐灶設新民調機構，請中大和科大做調查抗衡，引起輿論關注，連日左派報章如《大公報》、《文匯報》等亦加入指斥總監鍾庭耀。
「港人講地」網站則發表短評，表示儘管港大民研當時最新公布的特首評分僅得47.5平均分，表現被評為不合格，但指出根據港大發布的原始樣本數據，大部分人給予梁振英合格分數，只因太多「0分」極端評分，連累梁振英的平均分大幅度拉低。短評質疑，港大民研將這些原始樣本，「藏於」民意網站的暗處，令人懷疑民調背後的用意，質疑並非一個公正持平的民調機構所應採用的發布方式，「香港確實有必要有更多獨立的機構進行民調，並要高度透明地公布收集到的數據，以助市民大眾通過比較獲得真象。」
港大民意計劃研究經理李偉健解釋，民望調查詢問受訪者給予官員0分至100分的評分，相信受訪者誠實回答，無論樣本是0分或是100分，都應納入計算，除非是101分，在數值範圍之外才會剔走。李偉健強調，歷來民望調查同樣沿用這方法，公布按評分計算算術平均值（Arithmetic Mean），「沒有篩走特別低、特別高的評分。」
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| Re: 美國真面目 ( No.26 ) |
日期：2014/11/03 21:45
留言者：寸草心
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美國真面目--公开.
中共真面目--嘿嘿. |
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